The UK version of the special talk given by Stephen Papps had a quote from the Guardian (not this one obviously) and stated where it was from, so the Guardian has been "approved".
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Saltheart Foamfollower
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UK Guardian article on JW child abuse
by scotsman inpublished today.
jehovah's witnesses accused of silencing victims of child abuse.
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Why did you leave?
by Fred Franztone inwe all have many reasons for leaving, most are doctrinal, some are emotional.
it's a religion which obsesses over factual proofs (counterfactual though they are) of its veracity rather than faith, so it's inevitable that most who leave will do so for intellectual reasons.
which doctrine above all others forced you to reconsider your position?
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Saltheart Foamfollower
I can be very specific about what started me off learning TTAT. Someone pointed out that in the All scripture is inspired book, exactly the same sources used to establish 537/539 are rubbished for saying Jerusalem fell in 587. It seemed so obviously stupid that I started investigating further and the whole structure collapsed in front of me.
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Try this on a JW
by Saltheart Foamfollower inthis is not intended to expose wrong teachings etc, just to promote thinking and asking questions.. 1) ask if imperfection and death automatically follow sin.
jw will answer yes.. 2) ask if satan is imperfect then.. 3) sit back and watch them try to work out what the right answer should be.. sf.
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Saltheart Foamfollower
Little can be stated to a JW that would be so thought provoking that they start to question their faith. That type of questioning comes from within ones own psyche
I entirely agree DisArmed, which is why the questions are framed to start them thinking about what they believe rather than attacking a belief. I don't think it is particularly profound - just another logical inconsistancy in the bible/JW beliefs. Personally I think it is all nonsense. JWs usually need a bit of a push to get started in really thinking and then their own psyche can take over. As I said earlier, doesn't work for many, but asking questions like this can help some start thinking and there is little risk to the questioner since it isn't attacking a belief. Anyone tried questions like this? I have tried this one and listened for about half an hour to several witnesses examine all sorts of inconsistancies.
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Try this on a JW
by Saltheart Foamfollower inthis is not intended to expose wrong teachings etc, just to promote thinking and asking questions.. 1) ask if imperfection and death automatically follow sin.
jw will answer yes.. 2) ask if satan is imperfect then.. 3) sit back and watch them try to work out what the right answer should be.. sf.
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Saltheart Foamfollower
When I have tried to question beliefs even subtly, JWs always go very defensive and I don't feel as if I've achieved anything. It usually needs to start with them questioning something or at least wondering about alternatives. My post was about using a line of questioning that they haven't already been given an opinion on. Hopefully it could start off an internal process which would lead to them genuinely questioning doctrine. Or not in most cases, but if it helps some, it's worth trying (and is low risk)
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Try this on a JW
by Saltheart Foamfollower inthis is not intended to expose wrong teachings etc, just to promote thinking and asking questions.. 1) ask if imperfection and death automatically follow sin.
jw will answer yes.. 2) ask if satan is imperfect then.. 3) sit back and watch them try to work out what the right answer should be.. sf.
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This is not intended to expose wrong teachings etc, just to promote thinking and asking questions.
1) Ask if imperfection and death automatically follow sin. JW will answer yes.
2) Ask if Satan is imperfect then.
3) Sit back and watch them try to work out what the right answer should be.
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JW Podcast
by Saltheart Foamfollower inanyone know if there is some problem with jw podcast?
their website is giving me a 404 not found error.. sf.
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Saltheart Foamfollower
Thanks dubstepped - looking forward to your next podcast btw.
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JW Podcast
by Saltheart Foamfollower inanyone know if there is some problem with jw podcast?
their website is giving me a 404 not found error.. sf.
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Saltheart Foamfollower
Anyone know if there is some problem with JW Podcast? Their website is giving me a 404 not found error.
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The Boyfriend Pillow! - The Governing Body's worst nightmare!!??
by stuckinarut2 inhttps://www.boyfriendpillow.com.au/.
with all the focus on the new anti-masturbation vide telling all bethelites not to sleep inappropriately with a pillow, surely this has to be the very item that will send the gb into fits of despair?
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Saltheart Foamfollower
What we really need here is a return of The Prodigal Boys podcast - this is tailor made for them.
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Can I get my JW report card using Freedom of Information requests? (UK)
by truthseeker inhas anyone tried to get their jw report cards and any other info using a freedom of information request?
would london bethel have all this information?.
truthseeker.
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Saltheart Foamfollower
The congregation should say that the card belongs to them (anyone remember when they had to be signed) but the information can be shared with you. Of course, you may find a secretary who isn't aware of this.
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BOE-Jan/18/2018-Donations!
by Atlantis injanuary-18-2018--boe.
donations for 2019 international convention travel.
https://we.tl/ikbkzz8xpwatlantis!
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Saltheart Foamfollower
This letter has appeared after many congregations have already had a resolution to donate the money. Not that it would have made any difference to the vote, but does that mean technically the money can't go into the WWW?
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